Note: As a lifelong registered Democrat I've tried to 'be for' Obama. I've listened to his message and .... I've come away 'scared to death' of this man. He is a "danger" to the U.S.A. and must be stopped. I know that my vote this year in the Presidential Election will be nothing other than a vote "against" someone - rather than for someone. Nevertheless..... I'm voting for McCain.
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, May 23, 2008; Page A17
When the House of Representatives takes up arms against $4 gas by voting 324-84 to sue OPEC, you know that election-year discourse has entered the realm of the surreal. Another unmistakable sign is when a presidential candidate makes a gaffe, then, realizing it is too egregious to take back without suffering humiliation, decides to make it a centerpiece of his foreign policy.
Before the Democratic debate of July 23, Barack Obama had never expounded upon the wisdom of meeting, without precondition, with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Bashar al-Assad, Hugo Chávez, Kim Jong Il or the Castro brothers. But in that debate, he was asked about doing exactly that. Unprepared, he said sure -- then got fancy, declaring the Bush administration's refusal to do so not just "ridiculous" but "a disgrace."
After that, there was no going back. So he doubled down. What started as a gaffe became policy. By now, it has become doctrine. Yet it remains today what it was on the day he blurted it out: an absurdity.
Should the president ever meet with enemies? Sometimes, but only after minimal American objectives -- i.e., preconditions -- have been met. The Shanghai communique was largely written long before Richard Nixon ever touched down in China. Yet Obama thinks Nixon to China confirms the wisdom of his willingness to undertake a worldwide freshman-year tyrants tour.
Most of the time you don't negotiate with enemy leaders because there is nothing to negotiate. Does Obama imagine that North Korea, Iran, Syria, Cuba and Venezuela are insufficiently informed about American requirements for improved relations?
There are always contacts through back channels or intermediaries. Iran, for example, has engaged in five years of talks with our closest European allies and the International Atomic Energy Agency, to say nothing of the hundreds of official U.S. statements outlining exactly what we would give them in return for suspending uranium enrichment.
Obama pretends that while he is for such "engagement," the cowboy Republicans oppose it. Another absurdity. No one is debating the need for contacts. The debate is over the stupidity of elevating rogue states and their tyrants, easing their isolation, and increasing their leverage by granting them unconditional meetings with the president of the world's superpower.
Obama cited Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman as presidents who met with enemies. Does he know no history? Neither Roosevelt nor Truman ever met with any of the leaders of the Axis powers. Obama must be referring to the pictures he's seen of Roosevelt and Stalin at Yalta, and Truman and Stalin at Potsdam. Does he not know that at that time Stalin was a wartime ally?
During the subsequent Cold War, Truman never met with Stalin. Nor Mao. Nor Kim Il Sung. Truman was no fool.
Obama cites John Kennedy meeting Nikita Khrushchev as another example of what he wants to emulate. Really? That Vienna summit of a young, inexperienced, untested American president was disastrous, emboldening Khrushchev to push Kennedy on Berlin -- and then nearly fatally in Cuba, leading almost directly to the Cuban missile crisis. Is that the precedent Obama aspires to follow?
A meeting with Ahmadinejad would not just strengthen and vindicate him at home, it would instantly and powerfully ease the mullahs' isolation, inviting other world leaders to follow. And with that would come a flood of commercial contracts, oil deals, diplomatic agreements -- undermining the very sanctions and isolation that Obama says he would employ against Iran.
As every seasoned diplomat knows, the danger of a summit is that it creates enormous pressure for results. And results require mutual concessions. That is why conditions and concessions are worked out in advance, not on the scene.
What concessions does Obama imagine Ahmadinejad will make to him on Iran's nuclear program? And what new concessions will Obama offer? To abandon Lebanon? To recognize Hamas? Or perhaps to squeeze Israel?
Having lashed himself to the ridiculous, unprecedented promise of unconditional presidential negotiations -- and then having compounded the problem by elevating it to a principle -- Obama keeps trying to explain. On Sunday, he declared in Pendleton, Ore., that by Soviet standards Iran and others "don't pose a serious threat to us." (On the contrary. Islamic Iran is dangerously apocalyptic. Soviet Russia was not.) The next day in Billings, Mont.: "I've made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave."
That's the very next day, mind you. Such rhetorical flailing has done more than create an intellectual mess. It has given rise to a new political phenomenon; the metastatic gaffe. The one begets another, begets another, begets .. . .
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Obama, who's election to office will do much more for our image than an psychologically unstable senior citizen. All, ALL elected presidents except a reelected incumbent, are bound to spend the first two years putting into action the legislation of their predecessor.
Corportations have ruled this country since before Ronald Reagan. Nothing will change except cosmetically without citizens acting instead of pouting or hiding behind their televisions.
The choice of what you believe or know is up to you.
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I have been a life long Republican, never having voted for a Democrat for President. I am every bit as proud of that continuing decision as I have been of Never buying an American made car (primarily because I am not a mechanic)
So we come at this from different directions.
Preconditions.
What preconditions are the Repubicans discussing?
They link preconditions with preparedness. Supposedly the more prepared we are the less negotiations are needed, the more we can ASSERT OUR preconditions. It used to be we could walk into a soversign nation, (the American Indian nations) and walk out with an agreement to our liking even while repeated ly fibbing. This was our government also. Yet, the Arab world is not where we ARE prepared, Nevertheless, we find ourselves at war there. Now for more than five years we have been at war there. OF course, this is the answer we give to countries we feel important to our interests who don't meet our preconditions prior to war. Hah, e'll spend twice as much time and investment in war than in negotiations. What were those preconditions that we hammered the UN with? They were to allow the American controlled UN to send people to their most secret places without regard to sovereignty, why? Because we are entitled to know about so called weapons of mass destruction that we greatly exaggerated by the militaries of England and America. Now, what did the UN say together about that in our pretty much singular descent. They said War was unwarranted. The world against the American Republican party who had more profitable reasons for going to war. They will acquire profits in oil and the machine of war at the horrible expense of lives and this country's integrity.
Obama is rightly saying we have better learn the art of negotiation so as to, how did we used to say it? Give peace a chance.
As to Obama.... to say everything about him is wrong - would not be true, (even Tricky Dicky had some good points) but still, Obama's lack of experience and gentle naivete' ... I cannot back away from my assessment of him,even if he sometimes reminds me of Robert F. Kennedy, or someone 'invokes' John Lennon with "Give Peace a Chance," and I'm reminded of all we lost when Kennedy died.
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Thanks for your courtesy.
"Obama's lack of experience and gentle naivete' ... I cannot back away from my assessment of him,even if he sometimes reminds me of Robert F. Kennedy, or someone 'invokes' John Lennon with "Give Peace a Chance," and I'm reminded of all we lost when Kennedy died."
I understand that much of your present position is driven by cynicism. Although this is stylish/immensely popular and certainly appropriate given the crap we have been handed, I believe it is what might simply destroy this country.
Would you call the Bay of Pigs a naive decision by JFK?
Knowing the depth of our error today, how naive would it have been to authorize the war in Iraq, especially given what we should have learned in vietnam? But all those seasoned politicians and pretty much the rest of us let our feelings get away from us. We bombed Iraq and they weren't even the enemy.
I believe Obama is a different breed...I nean he even keeps his tongue with Hillary and Bill trying to provoke him!
No I don't think the mistakes made in our government are naive. I believe they come from complex calculations and predictions. When decisions go wrong, they are errors made by career politicians.
So many of us have screamed for decades for a President without career political experience who could bring hope and real healing to us. We have screamed so long futily that cynicism eventually became born. How naive will it be to continue to authorize the Bush Presidency?
Yes it is interesting that coming from our points of present we both arrive at authenically opposing views. Maybe a great deal of that has to do with the presumption I have that there is little difference between the parties. The only real difference in found in the character of our leaders. McCain seems to walk around with the crushing weight of 'Nam on his shoulders, speaking with the same lilt as the Bush and Clinton administrations. We need to have vision to solve oour real problems, the problems at home we must solve, the problems now with how the rest of the world sees us. Our great nation didn't used to be terrorized.
Yes I would - since "that decision" was made by Dwight Eisenhower, (he blessed it and allowed the Generals to put it in play) and when Kennedy innocently stumbled into office the same Generals unveiled their plan and the rest (as they say) was history.
A smarter, more seasoned President, i.e. Lyndon Johnson, or even Tricky Dicky, would have stood up to the military and said - no. Hence no problem.
And since you brought up JFK, it's generally recognized even by his most fervent supporters/believers, (which includes me) that JFK's inexperience and gentle naivete' (sorry I couldn't help that)damn near got us into World War III, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and in fact without Bobby to bail him out, we probably would of had a Nuclear Exchange. (Geez .. we kids were practicing hiding under our school desks back then, in case of a Nuclear attack, go figure.)
"So many of us have screamed for decades for a President without career political experience who could bring hope and real healing to us. We have screamed so long futily that cynicism eventually became born. How naive will it be to continue to authorize the Bush Presidency?" How true, how true, how, so very true.
As far as 'how naive will it be to continue to authorize the Bush Presidency?' ... McCain just recently made the statement that he thought the war in Iraq could be over by 2013 and the fighting over and the troops back home. "Christ almighty" ... that would make this war ... what? 10-12 years? Shades of Vietnam! But, then again, I told everyone that would listen back when we first invaded Irag --- 'that it was Vietnam all over...again. Yes, it would be naive to authorize a continuation of the Bush Presidency .. especially when it comes to the war.
I think you're right! We don't need McCain!
but..... we can't risk a weak, naive, and inexperienced Obama.
pray for our country
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Appeasement? Bush straddles line with Sudan
Despite stance on negotiating with tyrants, U.S. lends Bashir an ear
By Michael Abramowitz
updated 7:07 p.m. HT, Mon., May. 26, 2008
"WASHINGTON - Sometime in the next few weeks, a special envoy of President Bush plans to meet with Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir, whose government sheltered Osama bin Laden and pursued a scorched-earth policy in southern Sudan that resulted in more than 2 million deaths. "
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Bush is becoming a progressive, open minded thinker and now quite the communicator. I wonder what the conditions are that have been satisfied? Perhaps there is no more Earth to scorch or lives to take.
I think there is a singular message to be gained here and however it is worded, speaks well for the intent and influence of Obama.
My feeling is that George Bush was a weak guy who served as a figurehead for the "neocons"...We have all seen the difference since Rumsfield...Rove and the boys have left the sinking ship.
Now we have an "imperial presidency" with unprecedented power and literally no checks and balances. When/if Obama takes office we will be in trouble.
I would contend that Obama in reality is a guy who did not realize that the America bashing and racist rhetoric in his own church was offensive. I think he comes with the corruption of Chicago and Rezko that served him well....and he does not believe it is wrong. The constant "race-baiting" as a strategy to win an election is immoral and has done a disservice to America. He takes a new position every day and no one cares. It has gotten to where his policies...originally pilfered from Hillary and Edwards are now being pilfered from McCain and no raises an eyebrow.
The Clinton's associations were more of the rolling 80's variety. They did not even profit from them very much and have been investigated a lot to find nothing illegal.
Obama and Rezko and the house deal and the "pay for play" politics of his IL Senate seat smack of political corruption. There is no way he sat as the president of that board and approved the "pay for players' and took their campaign contributions (pd only to the Governor of IL and Obama) and was innocent.
Successful marketing campaigns and big money public relations media are not my idea of the new presidency. They are my idea of "Big Brother".
In Texas the caucus system was filled with lots of thuggery and fraud. I have 3 friends that were Hillary delegates in 2 suburbs. 2 of the 3 will never vote Obama. After being harassed and watching up close the fraud these women think the process was a total fraud.
To be fair I have another friend who is pro Obama and she is an election judge. And she thought the strongarm tactics and threats from the Obama people were a brilliant tactic. Obama's successful move to keep polls in Black districts in Ohio, PA and TX worked.
You may want to look at PUMA Pac....apparently there are at least 2 million that have signed up not to vote for Obama (there are hundreds of websites that sprang up). There is little or no publicity about the growing anti-Obama movement. They are out there.
I really don't care if the world loves us like they did while Clinton was in office. I could care less if HAMAS or the violent new Black Panthers or Farrakan or Wright or even Carter are happy.
I lived through the late 60's and early 70's and I do not care for this bogus retro racism and victims mentality that we are returning to. I believe the Obama camp will be continuing the racist negative tactics against McCain. He has the media as an extension of his campaign.
So I guess you could say we are in agreement...NOBAMA for me.
He does not remind me of the Kennedy's but he does have one of their best speech writers on staff!
So you do not have many supports to your point of view.
So you do not have many supports to your point of view as such an infrequent writer.
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